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US Rejection Of Moscow’s Offer For Peace Talks Is Utterly Inexcusable

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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Tuesday that Moscow was open to talks with the the US or with Turkey on ending the war in Ukraine, claiming that US officials are lying when they say Russia has been refusing peace talks.

Reuters reports:

Lavrov said officials, including White House national security spokesman John Kirby, had said the United States was open to talks but that Russia had refused.

 

“This is a lie,” Lavrov said. “We have not received any serious offers to make contact.”

Lavrov’s claim was given more weight when US State Department spokesman Ned Price dismissed the offer for peace talks shortly after it was extended, citing Russia’s recent missile strikes on Kyiv.

“We see this as posturing,” Price said at a Tuesday press briefing. “We do not see this as a constructive, legitimate offer to engage in the dialogue and diplomacy that is absolutely necessary to see an end to this brutal war of aggression against the people and the state, the Government of Ukraine.”

This is inexcusable. At a time when our world is at its most perilous moment since the Cuban Missile Crisis according to many experts as well as the president of the United States, the US government has no business making the decision not to sit down with Russian officials and work toward de-escalation and peace. They have no business making that call on behalf of every terrestrial organism on this planet whose life is being risked in these games of nuclear brinkmanship. The fact that this war has escalated with missile strikes on the Ukrainian capital makes peace talks more necessary, not less.

This rejection is made all the more outrageous by new information from The Washington Post that the US government does not believe Ukraine can win this war and refuses to encourage it to negotiate with Moscow.

“Privately, U.S. officials say neither Russia nor Ukraine is capable of winning the war outright, but they have ruled out the idea of pushing or even nudging Ukraine to the negotiating table,” WaPo reports. “They say they do not know what the end of the war looks like, or how it might end or when, insisting that is up to Kyiv.”

These two points taken together lend even more credibility an argument I’ve been making from the very beginning of this war: that the US does not want peace in Ukraine, but rather seeks to create a costly military quagmire for Moscow just as US officials have confessed to trying to do in Afghanistan and in Syria. Which would explain why US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said the US goal in Ukraine is actually to “weaken” Russia, and also why the empire appears to have actively torpedoed a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia in the early days of the conflict.

This proxy war has no exit strategy. And that is entirely by design.

Many have been calling for the US to abandon its policy of actively sustaining this war while avoiding peace talks.

“President Biden’s language, we’re about at the top of the language scale, if you will,” former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Mike Mullen told ABC’s This Week on Sunday regarding the president’s recent remark that this conflict could lead to “Armageddon”.

“I think we need to back off that a little bit and do everything we possibly can to try to get to the table to resolve this thing,” Mullen said, adding, “As is typical in any war, it has got to end and usually there are negotiations associated with that. The sooner the better as far as I’m concerned.”

“One thing the United States can do is… drop the position, the official position, that the war must go on to weaken Russia severely, meaning no negotiations,” Noam Chomsky argued in a recent appearance on Democracy Now. “Would that open the way to negotiations, diplomacy? Can’t be sure. There’s only one way to find out. That’s to try. If you don’t try, of course it won’t happen.”

“It is time for the United States to supplement its military support for Ukraine with a diplomatic track to manage this crisis before it spirals out of control,” said the Quincy Institute’s George Beebe following the Monday missile strikes on Kyiv, calling it “a major escalation in the war” that was bound to “bring the world closer to a direct military collision between Russia and the United States.”

“The Americans have to come to an agreement with the Russians. And then the war will be over,” Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said at an event on Tuesday, adding that “anyone who thinks that this war will be concluded through Russian-Ukrainian negotiations is not living in this world.”

It’s absolutely insane that the world’s two nuclear superpowers are accelerating toward direct military confrontation and they aren’t even talking to each other, and it’s even crazier that anyone who says they should be gets called a Kremlin agent and a Chamberlain-like appeaser. Responsible Statecraft’s Harry Kazianis discusses this freakish dynamic in a recent article titled “Talking is not appeasement — it’s avoiding a nuclear armageddon“:

I have fought more than thirty combat simulations in wargames under my own direction for a private defense contract over the last several months, looking at various aspects of the Russia-Ukraine war, and one thing is clear: the chances of a nuclear war increase significantly every day that passes.

 

In every scenario I tested, the Biden Administration slowly gives Ukraine ever more advanced weapons like ATACMS, F-16s, and other platforms that Russia has consistently warned pose a direct military threat. While each scenario has postulated a different point at which Moscow decides to use a tactical nuclear weapon in order to counter conventional platforms it can’t easily defeat, the chances that Russia uses nukes grow as new and more powerful military capabilities are introduced into the battlefield by the West.

 

In fact, in 28 of the thirty scenarios I have run since the war began, some sort of nuclear exchange occurs.

 

The good news is there is a way out of this crisis — however imperfect it may be. In the two scenarios where nuclear war was averted, direct negotiations led to a ceasefire.

I repeat again that it is absolutely pants-on-head gibbering insanity that these direct negotiations are not already presently underway. Let us petition any and all higher powers we have faith in that this changes very soon. Let us also petition the leaders of our individual nations around the world to exert whatever kind of pressure they can muster upon Washington for these talks to commence. This brinkmanship threatens us all, and the managers of the US empire have no business playing these games with our lives.

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  • The “exit strategy” is when the generals who depose Zelensky (and purge the Azov element) surrender unconditionally to Russia. Until that inevitable day, the Democratic establishment happily uses the conflict to transfer billions of our tax dollars to the CEOs and stockholders of “defense” contractors. And the sanctions against Russia that are devastating the EU are knocking a powerful economic rival out of the game, two profitable victories for our elite at no cost but Ukrainian and Russian blood.

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  • Oh dear oh dear, Harry Kazianis should just stick to playing his little war games and let the adults get on with things.
    American hubris seems to know no bounds. ATACMS? F-16s? Weren’t M777s, HIMARS, MANPADS and HARMs supposed to wipe out the entire Russian army in 20 minutes? You just don’t get it do you? The ‘russkies’ as you call them WANT your ‘wunderwaffen’ on the battlefield where they can wipe them out and get some good footage of how ineffective they are so that their advertising departments can produce the glossies for the next military trade show and wait for the avalanche of orders from the Rest-Of-World to replace the now-fully-discredited junk from Raytheon, Boeing and Lockheed-Martin.
    Why bother to use nukes when you can just trounce anything the West throws at them and get free marketing into the bargain? Vlad the Impaler is still waiting – somewhat impatiently – for Leopard IIs and M1 Abrams for his T14s to obliterate…….

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  • Orbán isn’t really my type and Trump isn’t my type either but if anyone were able to initiate peace negotiations I’d even send Scroog McDuck or Tingle-Tangle Bob to do the job. This proxy war must end before it gets out of control and culminates into fucking WW3.
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    n the case of Victor Orbán PM of the Republic of Hungary I have to add that this guy has also been portrayed wrong in the main stream.

    I have to confess that as a classical “leftie” I also fell for this anti-Orbán agitprop.
    He was and still is portrayed as an almost fascist autocrate. But when I saw him on some occasions in different interviews I had to think my rather negative image/prejudice concerning Hungary’s PM over.

    He was always calm, he was never rude (doesn’t say much I know) but he was also very reflecting, thoughtful and cautious, he always respected different opinions and he (that’s the most important thing) listened very closely to what his “opponents in opinion” said in interviews and talk shows, he never replied harsh and stubborn, always showed understanding for different points of view as he had and tried to find compromises.

    • It reminds me of when I first saw Julian Assange speak on Bill Maher’s show years ago. Bill tried to bully him and deliberately misrepresented and distorted the arguments and statements Assange made, and in contrast Assange came across as respectful, direct, and thoughtful. I went from being conditioned to mistrust and despise the man to thinking “maybe I’ve been listening to the wrong people.”

      It’s not much, but it does give me some hope that true words and actions do eventually pierce through the deluge of propaganda.

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  • France: Mass protests erupt in Paris against NATO, demands for exit
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    Hear that Gloria?

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      ​ ​NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg told reporters on Tuesday that a military victory for Russia in Ukraine would spell defeat for the entire Western alliance. However, despite providing “unprecedented support” to Kiev, Stoltenberg still claims that the US-led bloc is not a party to the conflict…
      ..Asked whether weakening its own forces to strengthen Ukraine’s is a wise policy, Stoltenberg described the conflict in Ukraine as existential to the alliance.
      “If [Russian President Vladimir] Putin wins, that is not only a big defeat for the Ukrainians, but it will be the defeat, and dangerous, for all of us,” he said.​ ​
      https://www.rt. com/russia/564484-russia-victory-nato-defeat/

      ​ NATO needs an excuse to escalate. This is worrisome. They might do a nuclear false-flag attack to steal some “credibility”
      Despite reports of strikes on civilians, there were 14 reported casualties to the many russian missile strikes. Russians targeted command and control centers, military storage of fuel and ammunition, and some electrical providers, expected to limit electric rail transport of military supplies, as well as impairing Ukraine’s ability to wage war.​ Were foreign soldiers killed? Are excuses for foreign military deaths needed?
      ​ ​On Friday, the Ukrainian Special Forces orchestrated a terrorist suicide bombing on the Kerch Bridge, which connects Russia to Crimea. The move came after the former commanding general of the US Army in Europe, General Ben Hodges, urged Ukraine to “drop” the bridge, and current US officials publicly gave a green light to attack it.
      ​ ​Days after the attack, the aim of the Kerch Bridge bombing comes into sharper view. Its purpose was to provoke a military response by Russia against civilian infrastructure in Ukraine, which could then be used to justify a massive increase in US-NATO involvement in the conflict.
      ​ ​For months, US officials had been expressing concern that Russia had not been “provoked” into expanding the war into western Ukraine, which had been largely spared in recent months.
      ​ ​Last month, former US Ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor complained to The Hill that, despite the fact that the White House had provided “larger, more capable, longer-distance, heavier weapons to the Ukrainians,” the “Russians have not reacted.”
      ​ ​With Tuesday’s attack, Russian authorities had, in fact, allowed themselves to be “provoked,” setting the stage for an even more massive escalation of US-NATO involvement in the war.
      ​ ​The attack on the Kerch Bridge was timed to take place just days before the NATO defense ministers’ meeting on October 12 and 13, which is expected to expand the level of direct NATO involvement in the conflict.
      ​ ​A senior Biden administration official interviewed by the Washington Post called the escalation of the war a “turning point.”
      https://www.wsws. org/en/articles/2022/10/11/fcqp-o11.html

  • The sad reality is that this is a real scale war game for Nato to test Russian resilience, fought by people who don’t vote in any of their countries and who they couldn’t care less about.

    It is reminiscent of Winston Churchill writing to a friend in 1916, “I think a curse should rest on me because I love this war. I know it’s smashing and shattering the lives of thousands every moment and yet I can’t help it, I enjoy every second of it”.

    When one wants to understand the mind frame of psychopaths – like today’s Nato leaders -, Winston Churchill is always a great help and Wikiquote a remarkable source.

    First, we have Anglo-Saxon arrogance and the belief in their own propaganda that they hold the moral high ground. Churchill had this to say about the Chinese in 1902, which is strangely reminiscent of the tone of the Western press (essentially parroting the Anglo releases) nowadays about the Russians: “I think we shall have to take the Chinese in hand and regulate them. I believe that as civilized nations become more powerful, they will get more ruthless, and the time will come when the world will impatiently bear the existence of great barbaric nations who may at any time arm themselves and menace civilized nations. I believe in the ultimate partition of China (…) The Aryan stock is bound to triumph”.

    In 1914, Churchill was cheered in the Commons for saying: “Bloodshed no doubt is lamentable (…) but there are worse things than bloodshed, even on an extensive scale. The collapse of the central government of the British Empire would be worse. The abandonment by public men of the righteous aims to which they are pledged in honour would be worse. The cowardly abdication of responsibility by the executive would be worse. The trampling down of that law and order which under the conditions of a civilised State assure to millions life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, all this would be worse than bloodshed”.

    Last but not least, the following quote is reminiscent of today’s nuclear issue since the use of gas in the Ypres region of Belgium during WWI left thousands of soldiers (Allies and Germans alike) with lung handicaps for life: “I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum (…) We cannot, in any circumstances acquiesce to the non-utilisation of any weapons which are available to procure a speedy termination of the disorder which prevails on the frontier”.
    Drop a mouse in a Nato meeting room and he’s bound to hear that kind of stuff…

    • PS: It’s worth noting that the “uncivilised tribe” Churchill referred to here had produced Mozart, Beethoven, Wagner, Leibniz, Kant, Goethe and other literary and musical geniuses…

  • “The Americans have to come to an agreement with the Russians. And then the war will be over,” Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said at an event on Tuesday, adding that “anyone who thinks that this war will be concluded through Russian-Ukrainian negotiations is not living in this world.”
    ~
    And that will happen only when the American government realises that losing most of its military and its entire civilian population in the nuclear war it foments will not count as a “win” just because a few rich and powerful imbeciles, even if that does include the entire U.S. Congress, the president and his White House retinue, survive in their posh underground bunkers. That would be losing bigly.

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  • Hell no we won’t go was what 18 year old men sixty years ago said. Some went to Canada. Some of of it was big talk, these loud talkers switched minds, went to Vietnam and some died a pointless death.

    Now the men of both Russia and Ukraine experience the same reality. And it is a fuck of a lot harder for them to get to Canada.

    Americans are too young to remember or give a shit. It can happen all over again.

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    • Hi Gloria, how are thing in Kiev?

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  • The US gov’t had already spent billions to end the peace between Ukraine and Russia prior to the “Fuck the EU” phone call. If there is going to be peace again, it won’t be because of America.

    • I don’t know what to say? There’s actually noting left to say. Planetary suicide. Now we know why we don’t get visited by aliens. They’ve killed themselves.

  • Whenever the neo-cons in the Biden regime open their mouths, there is a near certainty of them spewing forth lies expressly designed to confuse and distract from their nefarious ways of death and destruction

  • Since peace is not an option, we must dismantle western banking system.
    See how much the bankers like that.
    Let them experience life at the other end of the stick, when they go without the money, not us.
    No peace – no money, honey.

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    • Is it a sunny day in Lviv? Or do you have rain in Ukraine.

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  • Were it not for the obscenity of nuclear weapons, an even greater obscenity called World War III would be raging. Only mutually assured destruction (MAD) prevents the carpet bombing of major cities east and west. At this point, the conflict in Ukraine can be ended only by a conclusive Russian victory, which now appears to be looming. If we survive until then, we will find ourselves living in a multi-polar world which offers possibilities for human flourishing far greater than American hegemony. To paraphrase famous words, it is the worst of times and the best of times, is it not?

    • You should have capitalized “if”. And there seems no reason to suppose the US will warmonger less in a multi-polar world.

      • True, they bought all those guns and bombs and shit. Like the narrative of Putin, “Backed into a corner” — it’s possible a weakened US might get even more trigger-happy. Hell, they might get a “century of shame” populist narrative blowing in the wind with some Demagogue.
        ~
        Meanwhile I don’t see other countries slowing down production of weaponry.
        ~
        What evidence exists that a multi-polar world will have less war? I would like to see a study or common-sense argument on it. But you made a good point, Ted.

        • We have seen the endless atrocities of American hegemony. There’s no guarantee that a multi-polar world would be a better one, but it might be. It’s that old separation of powers principle, that even if abuse of power cannot be eliminated, its harm can be minimized by reducing its scope via checks and balances. Is not the devil we know, the cruel hubris of the exceptional nation, so egregious that we should be willing to take the chance of welcoming the next one(s)?

          • You won’t catch me defending US hegemony but I’m not jumping the optimism gun on multi-polarity. We’ll see. The potential is there, but it always has been. Maybe skepticism is better than optimism if it keeps the pressure on.

        • Thanks. There’s only one way to find out what a multipolar world will be like, and we’re fixin’ to.

      • You mean IF Washington does not destroy the entire world out of spite should they lose. Back in the daze of the first cold war American warmongers had a saying: “Better dead than red,” meaning they would never accept defeat at the hands of the communists. They would destroy the world before that could ever happen. I think most of them are still deluded in thinking that the entire Eastern hemisphere is still a pack of godless communists that need to be exterminated. Doesn’t matter; they will obliterate the entire world should they lose to the “other side.” I mean, just look at and listen to the likes of Victoria Nuland and her whole family. Biden is just their sock puppet who will mouth their instructions to launch the Apocalypse.

  • What really stands out here is that the US–meaning a shadowy cabal in Langley and the Pentagon, and maybe in Israel and London–wants the war to go on as long as possible and is willing to risk obliteration of life on Earth–to weaken Russia, to enhance MIC profits, and to benefit US-based oil and gas companies. This does weaken Russia–but it weakens Ukraine more. Already millions have been uprooted, thousands have died, infrastructure destroyed–and it’s only getting worse. They use Ukrainians as cannon fodder, as sacrificial pawns, destroying the whole damn country, but it’s all right as long as they wave yellow and blue flags around and pin up Putin’s face for the Two Minute Hate.

  • If we don’t do a planetary suicide I hope this currency epoch will be considered humanities infancy and we’re not judged too harshly for our intense dumb.

  • Jesus, why can’t we just talk about the real issue here?? Leviathan and Gazprom should unite and BOTH provide energy to the EU. Stop the senseless loss of lives!
    German economy minister seeks energy from Israel | DW News

  • Right on!!!

  • Americans, all Americans, are interested in only 3 thing.
    MONEY, MONEY and MORE MONEY
    As long as Oil cartels, weapons manufacturers are making more profit they don’t (and Americans never have) give a damn about how many people are killed. It means nothing to them whether the lives are foreign lives or American lives.

    “I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
    ― : D. Butler, War is a Racket: The Antiwar Classic by America’s Most Decorated Soldier

    USA is a very sick society. They accept lies and lying as the “Norm”. They deny responsibility for anything and blame anyone and anything for their shortcomings. They pretend to morality and piously attend churches, but are the greatest creators and consumers of Pornography (including child pornography) , drugs and violence of any society in the world.

    I could stop the war in a minute. Make it unprofitable for USA and UK to participate.
    By “USA and UK” I do not mean the taxpayer or normal citizen, you are already a “Social cost” to the rich fuckers who own the countries, I mean those Financiers and Shareholders who are getting richer every day by sending weapons (with a 90% profit margin) and Oil (with a 60% profit margin) to Ukrainians whilst you poor suckers are paying for it.

    The only solution requires Ropes and Lamp-posts in Washington and London to be utilised.

  • Biden refused to even talk about the nautrality of Ukraine with Putin late 2021, just like B. Johnson blocked the April peace deal. And I’m afraid every other attempt will end the same way.
    The US will keep on escalating this madness, constantly blaming Russia for it with more and more aggressive and ubiquitous propaganda. But as the top bully of this planet it isn’t even a surprise. Isn’t “Why are you hitting yourself?” a basic bully tactic at every playground?
    The sad part is, that since the people are numbed by propaganda and everybody else is either too weak or way too dependent on US politically or economically, there is nobody to just peacefully stop them.

  • I ask myself WHY??? isn’t the UN stepping in and literally forcing the US and Russia to sit down face-to-face and begin talking. I stopped believing in the UN long time ago…another Yankee lap dog.

    • A simple look at the lobbying and corruption in the US Congress and in the EU Commission and Parliament gives us an idea of what it must be like at the UN. All this is Mammon’s turf – the site of the UN headquarters in NYC was donated by Rockefeller – and the means to achieve this globalist takeover in sheep’s clothing (climate change anti-social policies, pandemic anti-social compliance, anti-social wokism, anti-racist racism, anti-women feminism, transhumanism, baggism, shaggism, thisism, thatism…) are Mammon’s tools to get the bankers once and for all sitting on top of the world to do what they like best: gamble with other people’s money in saecula saeculorum, amen.

      • Yep, the bankers recently pledged more dollars or loans to Ukraine. Since peace is not an option, and we do not want to die in nuclear war, we must dismantle western banking system.

      • You sound like an idiot. All this mammon BS, Rockefellers, globalist takeover, yada yada. It’s a waste of space, and you waste a lot of it, posing as thought. Either you are being satirical or need psychiatric treatment. BTW, bankers used to be code for, wait for it, Jews. There are serious issues in the world, like nuclear annihilation, while you rant about freaking wokeism.

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    • Here is Vassily Nebenzia’s speech to the UN explaining exactly why the UN is a useless appendage. Note the repeated (and beautifully ironic) use of “colleagues”.
      https://thesaker.is/statement-by-permanent-representative-vassily-nebenzia-at-the-plenary-meeting-of-the-11th-emergency-special-session-of-the-un-general-assembly-the-issue-of-ukraine/

      • Truer words have never been spoken!

  • The Russian Federation is well within its right to resist US/NATO’s expansionist agenda which threatens their sovereignty and national security as has been the plan by the west since after the WWII even if this means risking a nuclear war with the west. It is clear that all that the US and Allies want is the destruction of Russia and the replacement of its government by a puppet regime that will dance to Washington’s music like the rest of the EU. The US never accommodates any self-respecting nationhood, and judging by its track record it will never ever do. The RF is caught up in a situation where it has to risk it all or face the plight of all the weaker nations the US has ridden roughshod over for decades. The US/NATO’s aim is clearly to turn the RF into another Yugoslavia and President VP into another MIlosovic. No self-respecting Russian would ever accept this even if this might lead to the end of all life on earth.

    • All Russia asked for was to left alone to conduct it’s business in peace:

      “The most terrifying force of death, comes from the hands of ‘Men who wanted to be left alone’.
      They try, so very hard, to mind their own business and provide for themselves and those they love
      They resist every impulse to fight back, knowing the forced and permanent change of life that will come from it
      They know, that the moment they fight back, the lives as they have lived them, are over
      The moment the “Men who wanted to be left alone” are forced to fight back, it is a small form of suicide. They are literally killing off who they used to be
      Which is why, when forced to take up violence, these “Men who wanted to be left alone”, fight with unholy vengeance against those who murdered their former lives.
      They fight with raw hate, and a drive that cannot be fathomed by those who are merely play-acting at politics and terror.
      TRUE TERROR will arrive at the left’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…but it will fall upon deaf ears.”
      ~ Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper

      Don’t say you were not warned.

  • How is that song…? “Money, money makes the world go ’round”. And as long as money can be made it doesn’t matter how it is made or at whose/what expense.

    • They don’t even print dollars anymore.
      Just type a new number in a computer at the Fed.
      Also every individual bank issues new money bcs they can loan out more money than they have deposits for.
      The question then becomes what guarantees these new dollars. Domestically, judicial and prison system.
      Internationally- the military presence around the globe, forcing other countries to use USD.
      They now have a new tool, confiscating Russia’s deposits in western banks and giving them to Israelites in Kiev.
      It becomes clear who is running this ruinous show – and for whom and for what.
      Money for more money is the banking game.

  • In the last two moths over 20,000 Ukrainians have died. The number could easily be double this as you will find out if you want to do the homework. Recent territorial advances by Ukraine into Russian territory have come at the cost of thousands of lives.

    It would suck to be a Ukrainian. And dying for someone else’s capitalism does not make it worse. Because dead is dead.

    • Two months.

    • Through many decades of wars, America has always found ‘fodder’ to fight wars on their behalf. So much for the land of ‘milk and honey’…

      • There’s no escaping the fact that 3% to 5% of the world population are psychopaths and a good chunk of them are natural-born killers for whom war is the best form of expression.

        • which doesn’t mean they want to PERSONALLY fight in those wars. No, that would risk the thing most precious to them–their own asses. But they often rise to high positions, if they’re intelligent and come from the upper classes. So then they get to play fun war games with their counterparts, with “our brave men and women in uniform” as some of the more insignificant game pieces.

          • Most of the soldiers are conscripts.

            An example:

            Some months ago a group of men were detained by police at Otel, a well-known Kyiv nightclub, for allegedly breaking curfew and subsequently given conscription notices by the local military administrative office.

        • It is not just natural-born psychopaths.
          In the US, military methods and strategy are taught in business schools, not just the military.
          Then of course the corporations with their CEOs are driving government policy.
          Fascism 101.

          • What about mercenaries, the Azov Battalion who say they like to kill, mafia and CIA hitmen, serial killers, sadists? Do we have a problem with admitting that if the top can do what they do, it’s because they find willing executioners at the bottom here?

            • Plenty of people teach hate and many institutions teach war.
              Very few teach love, and there are no colleges for peace.
              As to hired killers, they always existed. It’s either the 3% that are psychopaths, or people pushed to the extreme by the inequality.
              There also are top 0.1% of people willing to live off inequality.
              To change the way present violent systems function we have to choose new beliefs.

  • The real problem is the belief in “the west”TM that “neither side” can decisively win the war. This is wrong,despite all the empty territory Ukraine has recently “liberated” Russia has been winning since February. This is the view of qualified military experts,those not relying on pay checks from the Pentagon or msm,that is. If NATO stopped supplying weapons for Russia to destroy this war would end very quickly as Ukrainian losses in men and equipment are unsustainable.

    • Quote, ““neither side” can decisively win the war. ” Unquote. REALLY ? Stop supplying the Ukrainians with military weapons and the war will cease overnight. That’s howsimply it would be to stop this war.
      BUT, the U.S. has no intentions of stoppint his war, anyone who thinks so, has been living under a rock. The U.S. has made abundantly clear, what it’s aims and intentions are, and the lives of Ukrainians are not included in those aims. The question too, that the two parties need to “talk” is also highly questionable, as over the past 20 years, it has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt, there is NO POINT IN “TALKING” with the U.S. on anything. They have abundently clear, any such talks would be meaningless and unreliable, as thei simply discard such “talks” and “agreements” achieved via such talks.
      Given all the above, where does that lead us ???????????????
      Right back where we started, total destruction.

      • “Quote, ““neither side” can decisively win the war. ” Unquote. REALLY ? Stop supplying the Ukrainians with military weapons and the war will cease overnight”.
        That’s exactly what this guy was saying. His real wording was “The real problem is the belief in “the west” TM that “neither side” can decisively win the war (…) If NATO stopped supplying weapons for Russia to destroy, this war would end very quickly”. So if you misunderstand what people write and use this misunderstanding to pick a fight, how do you expect belligerents to do better?

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