A second summit meeting for the US and North Korea is reportedly scheduled to take place in Vietnam at the end of the month. Expert opinions on where these negotiations are headed range from the insightful to the incredibly naive, with mainstream media consumers consistently finding themselves in the latter category. Trump supporters believe their president is going to pull off some Art of the Deal wizardry and convince Pyongyang to completely denuclearize, and mainstream Democrats believe Trump is being foolish, facilitating the nefarious agendas of an evil dictator. As happens with pretty much all US foreign policy issues these days, the picture is completely obscured by the mass media’s obsessive fixation on Trump.
People who are well-informed tend to say that North Korea will never denuclearize, mainly because its government has no meaningful incentive to do so in a world where Muammar Gaddafi was murdered in the streets as a direct result of US regime change interventionism shortly after relinquishing Libya’s nuclear program. As bad as western sanctions are, they’re nothing compared to what happened to Libya.
I agree that Pyongyang as we have known it will never denuclearize, no matter how charming or threatening Moon and Trump get. There can certainly be peace between the Koreas, but the notion that Pyongyang as we know it will just give up the DPRK’s nuclear weapons is a fairy tale for children and mental midgets. Those words “Pyongyang as we know it” are key, though. There are circumstances under which North Korea could voluntarily give up its nukes, be relieved of sanctions, and be treated like a normal nation by the unipolar world order in the near term. They’re just not circumstances any of us should want.
North Korea isn't going to denuclearize, and it shouldn't have to. The DPRK having nukes is just the natural consequence of US imperialism. The only way it'll denuke is if it allows itself to be bullied into joining the blob of the empire, and nobody should want that.
— Caitlin Johnstone (@caitoz) February 8, 2019
The way I see it there are only three possibilities:
- North Korea keeps its nukes as an effective deterrent against regime change interventionism,
- North Korea relinquishes its nukes because the US and all rivals have relinquished their nukes, or
- North Korea relinquishes its nukes because it entered into the US-centralized power alliance.
The only way North Korea will be treated normally by the unipolar world order is if it joins that unipolar world order. If it allows itself to be absorbed into the blob of the US-centralized empire. If North Korea denuclearizes, that is what will have happened, and that has always been the ultimate goal of the pressures that have been stacked upon it. If Kim Jong-Un is sufficiently different from his predecessors, and if he is presented with the right combination of carrots and sticks, who knows? North Korea has $10 trillion worth of natural resources that it can’t access or sell due to sanctions, and you may be sure there are powerful people in both the east and the west courting Pyongyang to get that wealth into their pockets. Maybe Kim’s power base could be persuaded to consent to relinquishing the DPRK’s sovereignty like so many nations before (including my own) and join the blob to relieve the pressure.
But what would that mean, exactly? It would mean that one more nation which tried to insist on its national sovereignty was bullied and starved into joining the US-centralized empire to survive. The empire would be one nation more, and the remaining unabsorbed multipolarist governments would be one nation less.
The reality is that it is impossible to be truly anti-war without opposing the unipolar global dominance of the United States and its tight network of allies which operates functionally as an empire. It is impossible for this empire to remain dominant without the threat and enforcement of military violence; the carrot of military alliance and the stick of military assault are the glue which holds the empire together. The world can never know peace while this is happening. If you support the continued world dominance of the United States, you can perhaps claim to be against some wars on a case-by-case basis, but you cannot claim to be anti-war or anti-interventionist.
probably the dumbest headline ever on venezuela. pretty sure any leader of any country would threaten to kill soldiers of an invading force. https://t.co/XRFXVntfBB
— Whitney Webb (@_whitneywebb) February 8, 2019
With Venezuela it’s the same as with North Korea: the US-centralized power alliance is bullying a noncompliant nation in a key strategic region into allowing itself to be absorbed into the blob of an empire that is held in place with endless violence. Of course I fully support the sovereign right of the people of Venezuela to shape their nation in accordance with their will, but the Trump administration’s regime change interventionism there has nothing whatsoever to do with the will of the Venezuelan people. The Guaido pretend government that the US is working to install has been built by the engineers of imperialism from the ground up to ensure a Venezuela that is loyal to US interests, which John Bolton himself acknowledges have a lot to do with oil.
If the US succeeds in disrupting the lives of Venezuelans so much that the military shifts alignment and ousts Maduro in desperation, sure the sanctions will end, and maybe things will be better for some (mostly white, wealthier) Venezuelans, but ultimately what will have happened is the empire succeeded in bullying another sovereign nation into relinquishing its sovereignty.
Same with Iran. If Bolton’s crew succeeds in securing regime change in Tehran, the mainstream narrative is that it will mean freedom and democracy and the wind in women’s hair, but what it will primarily mean in reality is that the US-centralized empire succeeded in toppling yet another government of yet another oil-rich nation and installing a puppet regime to complement its Israeli and Gulf state allies, thereby shoring up regional dominance in the Middle East. From there we may be certain that Syria will suffer the same fate.
Anyone who sees that war is wrong should oppose this tooth and claw. The continued growth of the unipolar blob is a movement away from a world of peace and national sovereignty and towards a world of endless military violence enforcing the depraved will of the same thugs who inflicted unforgivable horrors on Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and so many other nations.
Generals who served there now admit the War in Afghanistan has been lost and the entire effort was pointless https://t.co/cORKlJHCfH pic.twitter.com/hB4LvBht05
— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) February 8, 2019
The way to prevent nuclear war with North Korea is to leave North Korea alone, stop sanctioning them and stop threatening them. The way to help the people of Venezuela is to end the sanctions which are starving them. The way to help the people of Iran is to end the CIA covert ops and starvation sanctions and stay the hell out of their country. The way to help Syrians is to stop arming and protecting the extremist militias who tried to topple Damascus, end the sanctions, end the illegal occupation, and respect the nation’s sovereignty. The way to advance peace is to oppose the institution that has done more to undermine peace than anyone else in the world, namely the US empire.
Of course we should want everyone to be free from oppression, and of course we should want the world to be free of nuclear weapons. But we shouldn’t support the toppling of foreign governments by a power whose consistent record of disastrous regime change interventionism is established beyond a doubt, and we shouldn’t support that power in bullying sovereign nations into relinquishing their sovereignty to escape brutalization. That is not the kind of world we’re trying to create here. The bigger the warmongering imperial blob grows, the more powerful it gets. If you want a world full of peace and harmony, put your emphasis on opposing the toxic activities of the power most responsible for preventing it.
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42 responses to “Why I Hope Maduro Wins And North Korea Keeps Its Nukes”
Caity, I don’t dispute anything in this article. But it even goes deeper than that. For example, did you know that, when Hugo Chavez was president, through Citgo, the Venezuelan national petroleum company, he distributed millions of gallons of free heating oil, every year, to the poor in the U.S., while U.S. giants such as Exxon and Shell contributed not a single drop. Or that, he became the U.S.’ enemy, when he refused to take a loan from the World Bank, which is basically a misnamed arm of imperialism and oligarchic takeover. There’s much else that I have learned over the years, including this latest form Greg Palast, the greatest investigative reporter from my long lifetime. Perhaps, you might even find something new in here:
https://mailchi.mp/gregpalast/in-venezuela-white-supremacy-is-key-to-trumps-coup?fbclid=IwAR3pL_atWk7BYEGqX8JU8zVJAqqj1Jnxiu9vnJmcP8FwBvWnymxJzJqonJc
I will describe one possible Golden-Rule-based alternative to the present economic system in which the vast majority of wealth and LARGE SCALE capital equipment are owned by a microscopic percentage of the population for its own astronomical profit, and I’ll resort to “human imagination” to do that.
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I want to take a mind trip. I want to compare two worlds – the earth on which we live and another planet that is identical to ours, except that in that planet’s solar system there has been a brief solar event whose radiation has not only instantly killed all of the people on that planet, but, amazingly, also slowed down the physical deterioration of any of the things that the planet’s deceased inhabitants created.
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Hearing about the calamity on earth’s twin planet, millions of people from our planet, who just happen to be unemployed ex-technicians from various professions (yes, a very competent bunch), jump into spacecraft and fly to that other planet. But, before they leave, they agree that ABSOLUTELY ALL of what is on the other planet will be “owned” equally among them and used for the good of all. (Yes, you’re right, that is exactly where I’m going.)
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Just like there is on this planet, there is an internet on the other planet, so the immigrants instantly realize that a so-called representative government will NOT be necessary …………. on the other planet. In that place there shall be direct democracy. People will hammer out important decisions amongst themselves using the internet as a means of virtually instantaneous, mass communication. (Ah yes, “human nature” will certainly be tempted in this new Garden of Eden.)
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There will be only one “nation” on one new world which will be called, simply, the world. There will be only one set of rules for all individuals. There will be no other nation to export to. There will be no nation to import from. Therefore, whatever economic system is decided upon will be of a design which can/will NOT be dependent upon either imports or exports. Human beings will either sink or swim together.
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After the new immigrants arrive on their new planet, using existing transportation systems, they disperse all over their planet so that they can get their new (old) machines up and running; fields plowed and planted; hospitals operating, etc. (Yes, it wasn’t easy. But with the common good in mind, people were successful. Just accept it for the moment.)
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The immigrants soon realize that it takes very few people (far fewer than immigrated) to keep the machines running, food on the table, etc., and, with some more design engineering, EVEN FEWER people will be required as time goes on. Not only that, but the products of these machines can be made to a much better quality then they apparently were previously, so these products will last far longer. As a result, it is realized that perhaps some of the huge machines can be operated far less frequently than they used to be. For example, automobiles soon come to be made much simpler, easier to fix and much more reliable. They have a far greater useful lifespan than they once had.
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The people enjoy leisure time, developing their artistic abilities, playing games and other non-productive activities.
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Rather than unfairly have the same small number of people constantly toiling on the machines, the people decide to divide up, or “distribute”, what little remaining HUMAN LABOR that is necessary to operate the machines, plow the fields, construct buildings, roads, etc. That is, EVERYONE has to work on the machines, etc., but for only a short period of time each year. And as the machines get improved and further automated, even LESS labor is required over time and, therefore, even MORE of each individual’s time is “free”.
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The newly-designed machines in this new world come to do almost all of the things that must be done, and the “profit” from the machines – leisure time and the actual products of the machines–is equally divided amongst all people, not hoarded by a microscopic percentage.
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Some of the leisure time is used for training all people in the variety of tasks they will be undertaking – everything from brain surgery to sewage treatment. Apprenticeship and training via video (just like Youtube on planet earth!) are found to be the ideal ways of training people. It is soon discovered that most medical and dental procedures can be either performed by robots or learned in a fraction of the time once thought to be absolutely necessary.
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Through apprenticeship and video “schooling”, the population becomes very knowledgeable, so they soon realize that by reducing their own population naturally, by slow attrition – by having only one or two children – the remaining population has even less to do (less water treatment, housing, electricity, food, everything), so their descendants have even more free time to themselves and the planet’s biosphere becomes more and more fit for human habitation, not less and less as it was becoming under the stress of the 8 billion and growing former human population.
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These people’s new-found religion is two-faceted — the Golden Rule and the continually-evolving simplicity, ease-of-use, and, most importantly, high-quality-construction and, therefore, long usable life, of the products they create. Unlike they did back on planet Earth, the immigrants now strive to manufacture things ONLY ONCE — things that with simple, inexpensive maintenance, last essentially forever.
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Transportation systems move people to and from the machines and other places where labor is needed, as well as moving people about the planet for other less practical reasons.
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Life is great in the new world.
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The End.
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My point is that there are possible ALTERNATIVE ways of living (economic systems) to the one in which we now live, but the only thing we are allowed to hear in our prefect Matrix of education and 24/7 propaganda is that there are NO alternatives available, other than the experimental ones that are at this very moment being literally dreamed up by the present entrenched powers-that-be (and their now TBTF banks) in order to serve only themselves.
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The fictional planet that I have just described is a place that is pretty close in design to the place described in a book by B.F. Skinner called “Walden Two”, published in 1948. So I’ve really said nothing that hasn’t been proposed for THIS planet since 1948 and actually put into practice in several small communities since that time as alternatives to this ongoing whatever-you-want-to-call-it experiment we live in today, which is quite obviously nothing but a for-profit, corporate-owned-and-operated enterprise.
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Regardless of what you think of the aforementioned fictional planet and what revisionist historians have to say about the 1960’s, what I’ve said most recently was what the so-called “counter-culture” movement of that time was all about.
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The part of the generation of people who went to the moon and crafted war and war machines to destroy the people of Vietnam were not the only intelligent people of that generation. Other intelligent, committed, resourceful people founded places such as Twin Oaks which were, again, attempts by like-minded individuals to break out of the corporate-controlled Matrix into which people are still being born today.
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Much as average people would like to avoid facing the reality of their lives in the Matrix, there is simply no getting around the fact that there are descendants of very powerful, very rich people living among us today who want “the system” to remain exactly as it is and will use their power in every imaginable way to ensure that it does.
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We all hope that the system we live in can be made to work for humanity, but, again, history proved long ago that it is a system which must be changed. The history of the growth of the human population and the necessity of perpetual war express the two most important failures of the present system and will by themselves literally result in the extinction of the human race if they continue.
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Although a necessary first step, it is NOT enough to time and time again point out the fatal flaws of the present arrangement. What is desperately needed is detailed description of an alternative — one which starts with an overall outline like the one above and, most importantly, a fundamental principle as its foundation. “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”, AKA the Golden Rule, is IMO what MUST be the foudation of ANY successful alternative. The reason for that is blatantly self-evident. Without it, you and your neighbor cannot even build a fence, let alone a better world.
The World is perfect…if it was not for the people!
Ish, not that I disagree with the premise of the ideal world described in your fictional Libertarian society but it leaves out the one most important variable – human nature. It is a great vision but how can we get there from here in the real world?
My question to all “post corporatism” social engineers: What is to be done with the irresponsible and the cruel?
I. R. Scum, I’ll reply to your question with a question about a question. What is the SECOND-most EXISTENTIALLY-important two-part question that every indivdual human being, every tribe and every nation has asked and answered for at least the last 10,000 years? (Of course the MOST important is “from where/how do I get my next meal?”)
Ish, WTF do women want? ; )
I can think of a few things depending on the direction you want to go here. So what is it that you are looking for?
Ish, What do women want?! ; )
I do not know about it being a universally asked question but for much of the world that would be Where did we come from and why are we here?
Sorry about the double post. I have a coupla keyboard cats so I am not sure if my posts are posted or not.
Will I have children and, if so, WHAT WILL I TEACH THEM?
I made a well argued and constructive post after this post by Guillermo. Why has it been deleted? I think not getting an answer will make things worse.
This was the post https://www.facebook.com/groups/freeDiEM25/permalink/1977373899235802/
By the way, I don’t agree with the two guys who agree with me, and my original post has now appeared so the above two posts may be deleted.
“Racism And The Fight Over Venezuela”
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/02/racism-and-the-fight-over-venezuela.html#more
Is it really any wonder that the US and Israel backed the South African apartheid regime to the very end?
Joe Biden: “I Am A Zionist. You Don’t Have To A Jew To Be A Zionist”
And you don’t have to be a Zionist, just because you are Jewish. Biden will never get my vote for president. He is a proven warmonger who is even more so than Hillary Clinton.
If you want to see the REAL POTUS, watch the following video. The video provides proof postive who the REAL POTUS is. The Great Man enters the chamber at approximately 22:00, but I think it’s valuable to note the VIP attendees as well as the festive, almost jubilant atmosphere of the place during the 22 minutes before His arrival. If your memory is completely shot, you will remember that O’bomb’em wasn’t too happy about the REAL POTUS addressing his obedient slaves. O’bomb’em was proven politically impotent to stop Him. Take particular note of the number of standing ovations and the statements that prompted them.
The evidence is so in your face now a days.
Was just mere coincidence on the day of the opening of the US embassy in Jerusalem it was held on the same day of Nakba Remembrance day?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba_Day
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The very ugly face of imperialism is in our face.
It is vicious and cruel.
What is moving blood in their veins since they have no heart.
Is Jeffery Epstein Mossad?
The recent opinion of the NYTimes Editorial Board urging an end to the Afghanistan war may suggest to some a sea change in regard to the MSM pro-war stance. To me, however, that opinion suggests an effort to shore up some street cred for MSM so that when hot war against Venezuela is launched, MSM can support it while pointing to the Afghanistan opinion as proving an overall peace objective. That launching is on hold primarily because efforts to bribe enough top generals and thereby trigger a coup are possibly going to be effective enough without letting the bombs fly.
It was Bill Clinton who coaxed Trump to run for president.
“How a future Trump Cabinet member gave a serial sex abuser the deal of a lifetime”https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html
“Fifteen women have now gone on record to say that Donald Trump sexually assaulted them. Out of all of their stories, one is the most explosive and bizarre — a woman who says Trump violently raped her at an orgy when she was just 13 years old. But the horrific details of her accusation have gotten the least attention.
Johnson claimed that Trump violently raped her when she was 13 at a 1994 orgy hosted by Jeffrey Epstein — the billionaire who was convicted in 2008 of soliciting an underage girl for prostitution and has been accused of having sex with more than 30 underage girls.”
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/3/13501364/trump-rape-13-year-old-lawsuit-katie-johnson-allegation
Taking sides in the power conflicts afoot in our world is an uncomfortable choice thrust upon us by those who act without our permission or support. We peace lovers would much rather embrace everyone as they lay aside their weapons and sit down together to work our peaceful solutions. How to bring about that better situation is our deeper concern, choosing sides in armed conflicts is only a temporary bandaid on the world’s deeper cancer.
Excellently articulated case, and I agree wholeheartedly.
The myth of ‘American exceptionalism’ is still dear to many in teh U.S. though and those who prefer faux-patriotic fantasy over reality will gladly buy into thw “Evil Madura”/”Evil N. Korea” popaganda, and be batted about by the msm, becoming totally useless in the context of working on the change we need here in this country. OR… maybe we Americans will reach a collective critical mass, similar to the Yellow Vests. I’m not holding y breath, but stay open to even the remotest possibility.
The greater the concentration of power the greater the role denial plays in in a community, s activities.Collective denials has and continues to be a mechanism which is used by rulers to carry out policies that human beings would not normally support or tolerate.The historical record is littered with examples of communities that have been able to deny to themselves atrocities have been carried out in their name Denial plays a pivotal role in the resistance to the idea that human activity is responsible for global warming.This denial is interlinked to the globalisation of capitalism Breaking down hierarchy is the single most important way communities can address the role denial plays in a community,s life.
You cut to the heart of all our problems, Klaus. Hierarchy and inequality is the root of evil that must be cut. But accepting hierarchy has gone so deep in the consciousness of the mass of people that it will be very hard to root it out. But it must be done – or our time on Earth will soon be up!
You, like all Leftists, find purchase on our freedom to pull against it. Because if it were up to you all would be glorious and light. But it won’t be up to you. You true-believers are always trumped by the treacherous. They will denounce you, arrest you, and ultimately line you up against a wall.
The left has no special franchise on this.
The right and it’s enablers have an inglorious history in this regard as well.
Sadly lining people up and shooting them, or previous versions of this reflecting the available technologies of the era, seems to reflect an unfortunate and quite irksome aspect of the generalised human condition.
Just as McCarthyism replaced the Salem witch hunts, and Commies under the bed were replaced with Jihadi sleeper cells, and they in term by ludicrous conspiracy about devious Russians and colluding Presidents.
There always seems to be a reason for a new line up.
Currently speaking the truth about near anything seems to attract outraged cries of collusion with Russians.
I agree N Korea should keep its nukes as a deterrent until the two Koreas – alone – can figure out how they want to reunite. But then so too should Iran also get some nukes for the same reason, which I would also support as a deterrent against the zionists’ lust for war with Iran.
This is also why we need to be suspicous of those who promote a “borderless, globalized world.” As we move toward this model, We The People lose the power to hold our elected leaders (chosen from a handful of vetted puppets) accountable. As our voices become more and more diluted, the power of a small group of wealthy elites becomes more entrenched.
Along the lines of F. Foundling’s post, I think that this meme says it all:
https://me.me/i/globalism-what-were-told-it-is-what-it-really-is-1142019
I mostly agree. The more countries are absorbed into the US blob, the more arrogant and tyrannical it becomes and is bound to become. North Korea would be stupid not to keep its nukes, and I would prefer it to improve economically and politically without surrendering to the global US capitalist system and without being assimilated by it, even though I have far less sympathy for the North Korean regime in its current form than for the Venezuelan one. I wouldn’t support *every* opposition to the US, though: in spite of all the imperialist motives and abuses, I am glad that the massive US contribution to the defeat of ISIS’ *truly* genocidal, medievalist~fascist caliphate was successful, and I do wish the US had managed to establish a viable alternative to the similarly medievalist Taliban in Afghanistan.
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‘It is impossible for this empire to remain dominant without the threat and enforcement of military violence; the carrot of military alliance and the stick of military assault are the glue which holds the empire together … The continued growth of the unipolar blob is a movement away from a world of peace and national sovereignty and towards a world of endless military violence’
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I am not sure if military attacks are quite so indispensable for the US empire. Given the enormous financial and technological power of the US, the threats of various economic sanctions and sponsoring the opposition seem to work well enough most of the time; even absent intervention, nobody wants to be in the position Maduro is in at the moment. The US also uses its immense resources to bribe the powerful and ambitious all over the world. The result is that the local elites find it more profitable to be servants of the US than to be its competitors. I doubt the US would actually sponsor a colour revolution in France or the Nordic countries, let alone invade them, but it has made it more profitable for their elites to serve it than to disobey it.
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Some will argue that the widening and stabilisation of the blob will give rise to a form of imperial peace, Pax Americana, replacing the bloody conflicts between various independent and competing powers as in WW1. This is really the same logic as the one that has always promoted centralised despotism over feudalism or partisan struggles within a state. However, just as with domestic despotism, that peace will be used for oppression, because it *can* be used for oppression: the very nature of empire is to allow and therefore cause unaccountability of the imperial centre, hence tyranny. That oppression will periodically provoke rebellions that necessitate violent military suppression, and otherwise cause the maximal level of suffering that can still seem less than the suffering caused by the suppression of a potential rebellion. The argument against empire is the argument for democracy (contrary to both Western propaganda falsely asserting democracy promotion and Eurasianist propaganda for an alternate path distinct from democracy). We should strive, internationally as well as domestically, towards the kind of peace that allows freedom and disagreements between equals within the bounds of law, not the kind of peace that relies on enforced uniformity, obedience, domination and centralised, institutionalised bullying.
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‘But we shouldn’t support the toppling of foreign governments by a power whose consistent record of disastrous regime change interventionism is established beyond a doubt’
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We shouldn’t support the toppling of foreign governments by *any* power, not just the US. Arguing for special treatment of the US means ignoring the similar actions of other great powers, past or present, and this is neither ethically justified nor rhetorically advantageous. The record-based argument seems weak – first, because it lacks a theoretical justification ensuring that the generalisation will continue to be true, and second, because even if one ignores post-WW2 Japan and Germany, there are relatively recent cases of direct intervention (Panama) and sponsorship of government overthrowals (various ‘colour revolutions’ in Eastern Europe) that at least have not produced unequivocally failed states and hence will be assessed differently depending on the general political views of the analyst.
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I dislike the whole ‘unipolar vs multipolar’ paradigm for a very simple reason: it seems to echo the more sincere formulations of the Russian and Chinese establishment positions, which are not objections to the principle of empire due to its undemocratic nature, but merely self-serving whining to the effect of ‘We wanna be empires, too! You Americans are so greedy, why won’t you let us have some of what you’re having?’. They would just like to join the club, get ‘their place under the sun’ and participate in the carving up of the globe as in classical pre-WW1 carricatures (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/80/f2/2f/80f22fc4e8ed96213d76ba5faf549754.jpg). Sadly, democracy and individual sovereignty don’t have many true friends.
Thank you for your insightful post, F. Foundling. I agree with many of of the points you’ve laid out here.
Elites do not serve any country,it is only a place to operate for their entitlements the country is offering.
Furthermore the elites have already other places of residences and passports should their present country fail.
The only one left to deal with the problems,most time created by the elite,are the average Citizen.They do not have the means ,or perhaps the willingness,to leave THEIR Country.
“I am glad that the massive US contribution to the defeat of ISIS…” Did that include the massive supply of weapons and funds provided by the US to ISIS?
Greed is the common denominator.Enough is never enough.The have saying in German: Manche kriegen das maul nicht voll bis es voller erde ist.
Translation :Some people constantly stuff their faces until i turns out being dirt.(that is wenn the are buried.)
Pretty direct, terribly accurate. Thanks