Listen to a reading of this article:

Someone who believes the US or its proxies sabotaged the Nord Stream pipelines can tell you exactly what they’d stand to gain from it and how little it would cost them. Someone who believes it was Russia has to perform weird mental contortions about Moscow sending some kind of message to the world and Putin being insane, or entertain the absurd notion that Russia could only stop Europe from obtaining Russian natural gas by destroying Russian pipelines. This says a lot about whose arguments are stronger.

The west has blamed Russia for bad presidents, for western racism, for western political divisions, for inflation, for pretty much every bad thing western power structures are responsible for, but blaming Russia for attacks on Russian pipelines is probably going to take the cake.

The Wolfowitz Doctrine, penned after the fall of the USSR, describes the US policy of ensuring that no other power develops which could challenge US supremacy. It’s important to understand that this wouldn’t just apply to nations like Russia and China, but to the EU as well.

Nobody who supports NATO is a moderate.

Being an American liberal means wearing a “Punch Nazis” t-shirt while cheering Biden as he arms Nazi paramilitaries in Ukraine and Hillary Clinton as she praises Italy’s election of a fascist prime minister.

Looking forward to when things heat up with China so we can find out whether Australia is going to be Washington’s next Europe or its next Ukraine.

Both sides of the Ukraine proxy war are threatening to use nukes. Both Russia and NATO 100 percent understand that nukes may be used by either side and their use is never off the table. The mutual nuclear threat is always there, regardless of what mouth noises either side is making about them. It’s weird how many people I’m running into who don’t get this.

This conflict doesn’t magically get dangerous because of what some Russian official happens to be saying on a given day. It would be just as dangerous if nobody was saying anything about nukes. The threat is there regardless of what anyone says, and it’s rapidly escalating.

It sure was nice of governments to assign themselves the responsibility of regulating how we talk to each other online. I don’t remember anyone asking them to do this, and it sure sounds like a lot of work, but by golly they’ve volunteered for the job anyway:

“How do you successfully end a war if people are led to believe the reason for its existence is not only legal but noble?”

I keep tripping on this part. She’s saying people should be forbidden to say certain things about a war, on the absurd grounds that free speech can prevent peace. Even if you ignore the tyrannical mentality from which this claim arises, it also just makes zero logical sense. People saying online that a war is justified prevents that war from being ended? What? How? How could that possibly even happen? What the fuck are you talking about?

If someone criticizing nuclear fucking brinkmanship looks like adoration for Putin or Russian propaganda to you, it’s because you’ve been so brainwashed by western propaganda that the most normal thing imaginable looks freakish and sinister in your eyes. Criticizing your government is normal. Criticizing agendas of unparalleled existential importance is normal. Criticizing the most powerful government in the world is normal. Only by tremendous amounts of propaganda are these extremely normal things made to look abnormal.

Online discourse is crawling with people who really, truly, sincerely believe that if someone doesn’t fully support their government’s foreign policy with Russia and believe 100 percent of what their government says about it, it means they love Vladimir Putin and support everything he does. You either believe Putin invaded Ukraine solely because he is evil and hates freedom and support your government’s actions against Russia no matter how much it costs or how much it risks, or you love the Kremlin and think Putin is a saint. Those are the only two possibilities.

If you can propagandize someone into believing their government is pure and virtuous, they will necessarily see any opposition to that government as evil and malicious. That’s why anyone questioning official narratives about Russia can only be an evil tankie who hates democracy.

Someone who tells you that you love Putin and believe he’s perfect is really telling you that they love their own government and think it’s perfect. They see their government as pure and virtuous and worthy of blind obedience, so failure to do so is indicative of nefariousness.

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49 responses to “Nobody Who Supports NATO Is A Moderate: Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix”

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  2. With our media answering to funders, how to get good people on the same page about what really is going on? Your readers are with you but most people would be shocked about what the media doesn’t tell them, like how massive supoort for Ukraine isn’t okay. For info on what’s really going on it’s gadflies all the way down, and I suggest an event where a bunch of you rabble-rousers get coordinated and use your alignment to get attention so regular joes can get clued in.

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  4. I love the way WaPo is quoting American sources on the Nordstream sabotage. It’s the usual anonymous people ( you don’t have to do any journalism that way) but they dropped the erstwhile sine qua non of “according to sources familiar with the matter”. Someone pointed it out to them that it was an admission of guilt.

  5. This whole Ukrainian NAZI’s bullshit is getting very old and stale. NAZI’s are not running Ukraine. I shake my head in wonder at the people who very obviously demonstrate skepticism of the American Imperialists’ propaganda, but who regard the pronouncements and propaganda from Russia and/or China as the unvarnished truth.

    It is not rational to believe those governments and their mouthpieces would not be manipulating and lying to you, too.

    1. You are right. The Nazis were NATIONAL SOCIALISTS whilst the parties that follow Hitlers teachings in Ukraine refer to themselves as the SOCIAL NATIONAL parties of Ukraine. Completely different. Clearly not Nazis. Also their youth wing is called C14 which is obviously four numbers less than Combat 18 which are of course the neo Nazis in western Europe. All completely different obviously. To think otherwise is Russian propaganda.

      1. I think you don’t understand what that word – propaganda – means. Nor anything approaching logical inference from actual evidence.

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  7. @UnderSecStateP Victoria Nuland: “If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.”

    Shame on you, stupid Americans.

    American patriotism devolves into the love of the father’s lies.

  8. Anyone who believes that Russia destroyed its own property, whether the nuclear power plant or the gas pipeline is stupid or evil.

    Stupidity and evil are the same if judged by results.

  9. Holy Sacred NATO shoves a knife into the asshole of Qaddafi, and Hillary Clinton cackles like the witch she is.

  10. Horizon Line for Europe Avatar
    Horizon Line for Europe

    I have enough thoughts to draft what the future will look like after seeing the unfolding events in Europe.
    1) WW3 will happen with nukes? No.
    2) Ukraine will be spent and partially absorbed by Russia;
    3) NATO will step back from Sweden, Finland, Poland, Romania, Baltic States, Balkans as it was before 1997;
    4) Europe will be totally dependent on US LNG and services; Russia will focus on Asia;
    5) End of story for Europe. Time will tell how they will cope with a new reality they fought so bad to happen.

    1. Good theory. Europe is just another competitor to the US (consider US’ dictates to Germany regarding Nord stream 2 and commercial activity with Russia). It’s a conundrum how Germany, and Europe, so easily kowed to US demands (at Europe’s peril). The US objective is to prevent a peer competitor, and Germany (their strong economy) was ascending towards this status (pretext for US’ behavior toward Germany). Amazing. However, subsequent blowback seems inevitable for the US. US’ horrific misdeeds (wars, assassination, murder, regime-change, plundering, sanctions, repression…), have fostered implacable opponents (China and Russia– who ARE near peers, and in some cases have supplanted the United States).

  11. Basic economics lesson – Cheap oil and gas means your whole industrial hardcore can produce cheap components with competitive prices. The government can afford free public healthcare, paid leave for maternity and holidays, retirement policies, funding public transport, public services for cheap water, electricity, phone services, etc.
    Siding with the US empire means exactly the opposite. You will pay up to the nose under privatization policies. Once you lose what you used to have, you are not going to have it back again. It is over, for good.

  12. The very fact that the story is fading so quickly tells you who blew up the pipelines. If it had been Russia the MSM would be going ballistic.

  13. End Central Banks Avatar
    End Central Banks

    That we still have world domination seekers in the 21st century should be seen as THE primary threat to democracy. In a true democracy, there are no special interest groups. Corporate lobbying should be equated with the illegal act of payola in the music business. Corporations are hellbent on breaking up nation-states into regions and city-states, with new corporate constitutions. What the central banks want to end is government investment in the public sector. Fascists want to keep money, which is a public utility, privatized.
    .
    The New World Order Is Ruled By Global Corporations And Megacities—Not Countries
    .
    “As cities and companies gain in influence and the power of nation-states decreases, the world is undergoing a seismic transformation.”
    .
    https://www.fastcompany.com/3059005/the-new-world-order-is-ruled-by-global-corporations-and-megacities-not-countries
    .
    THE GREAT GAME: ECO-TERRORISTS AND NEOCONS CONVERGE
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/feb-PcoWF-g/
    .
    The EU Brought to its Knees by the Straussians
    .
    “A US grouping, constituted around the thought of the philosopher Leo Strauss, controls from now on both the Secretariat of Defense and the Secretariat of State. After having organized many wars since those of Yugoslavia, they imagined the one in Ukraine. It is now manipulating the European Union and is preparing to deprive it of energy sources. If European leaders do not open their eyes, their alliance with Washington will lead to the collapse of the Union’s economy. There is no point in believing that Europeans will be spared because they are developed. The Straussians wrote, as early as 1992, that they would not hesitate to destroy Germany and the EU.”
    https://www.voltairenet.org/article217976.html
    .
    Victoria Nuland wasn’t kidding when she said, “Fuck the EU.”

    1. The endgame is Judge Dredd.

      1. “I AM THE LAW!” The tyrant…

  14. Note how the pipeline story is off the front page or any page in WaPo and NYT. This is a pattern, aimed at giving the impression the last word on causation has been spoken. Quick before anyone starts to question the obviously BS narrative!

    1. The very fact that the story is fading so quickly tells you who blew up the pipelines. If it had been Russia the MSM would be going ballistic.

    2. Most likely the act of a desperate antagonist. Why would Russia intentionally sabotage billions of dollars (they own much of it, along with other investors) of an immense source of income? It doesn’t make much sense. When juxtaposed, the US seems to be the perpetrator of this action. It is not a secret that the United States is in decline. Biden, in a recent address, openly stated that Nord stream 2 would end if Russia invaded. They are trying with all their might to maintain their dominance, world order, and pseudo-values.

  15. https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/pipeline-war
    ​ John Helmer translates a Russian leak into English.
    The military operation on Monday night which fired munitions to blow holes in the Nord Stream I and Nord Stream II pipelines on the Baltic Sea floor, near Bornholm Island, was executed by the Polish Navy and special forces.
    It was aided by the Danish and Swedish military; planned and coordinated with US intelligence and technical support; and approved by the Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki.
    The operation is a repeat of the Bornholm Bash operation of April 2021, which attempted to sabotage Russian vessels laying the gas pipes, but ended in ignominious retreat by the Polish forces. That was a direct attack on Russia. This time the attack is targeting the Germans, especially the business and union lobby and the East German voters, with a scheme to blame Moscow for the troubles they already have — and their troubles to come with winter. THE BORNHOLM BLOW-UP REPEATS THE BORNHOLM BASH — POLAND ATTACKS GERMANY AND BLAMES RUSSIA

    Wigs sent this “blast from the past”: Explosive-Laden Drone Found Near Nord Stream Pipeline Fri, 11/13/2015 https://www.pipeline-journal.net/news/explosive-laden-drone-found-near-nord-stream-pipeline

    Ilargi at The Automatic Earth, has scoured the internet for pipeline clues, and has as good a presentation as any, better with the comments added. This is a major act of war against Germany and Russia, against much of Europe, for that matter. There is no official responsibility being taken, but there are efforts to blame Russia for shooting itself in the wallet.
    Biden and Nuland both vowed to eliminate Nordstream-II one way or another in late January and early February, “if Russia should invade Ukraine”. Smokin’ a Pipeline https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2022/09/smokin-a-pipeline/#post-117119

    1. Moon of Alabama (German) has more details of the NATO anti-mine exercises carried out in the Baltic from June to mid-September, including a lot of helicopter activity right over where those pipelines were just blown up. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/whodunnit-facts-related-to-the-sabotage-attack-on-the-nord-stream-pipelines.html#more

  16. Behind the rear door Avatar
    Behind the rear door

    Notes from the subway bathroom

    1) It’s impossible in practical reality to set up a state of “supreme order” but in the internet it may just happen;
    2) WTO is announcing an increase in global recession. It started with covid policies and soon after with the US empire policies to isolate Russia with economic sanctions;
    3) Scandinavian countries were always nazi lovers as the Baltic states were as well. They got lucky to enrich themselves with colonial policies on third world countries and using cheap Russian gas. It’s about to change that god-like quality of never feeling pain in the pockets;
    4) In the last 400 years, banks earning profits are a sign of economic growth to the WTO, IMF and world bank. Perhaps there will be room for signs of food on the table as a token of economic growth in the middle of an economic staggering making a new home worldwide;
    5) Pentagon and CIA finally can show their faces to the world taking the lead to protect the great dictator. It can only be possible under a nazi-fascist world order or a rules based order. You can name it.
    (flushing out)

  17. On Mar 4 I commented that this is an ‘existential’ war. At the end only one power will exist as the dominant ideology. Either Russian (BRICS) ‘Sovereign nation’ world or the USA (NATO) Hegemony world will be the future, they cannot co-exist. From the very beginning, Russian troops told Ukrainians “Our fight is with America not the Ukraine.”
    NATO was wavering, thousands of Germans, Czechs, Serbs waving Russian flags and demanding of their governments that the Russian energy be turned on. Well someone put and end to that treachery, didn’t they.
    But even more interesting were two snippets in the last week.
    1) Jordan to become the 3rd largest recipient of US military aid, after only Ukraine and Israel. Jordan???? More aid that n Taiwan under Chinese threat. More aid than Japan, Georgia, Poland and all of S America.
    Jordan threatens no-one. No-one wants to attack it. Hasn’t got any terrorists. WTF? it’s only value is that it sits between Israel and the Arab world, Syria and Saudi.
    2) Seen only once but from reliable news organisation (not some UK tabloid), Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Egypt will formally apply to join BRICS at the BRICS summit in S Africa next year.
    They already belong to Belt and Road Initiative but formal members of BRICS? BRICSSET? BRICSSETI with Iran?
    This is the end of US in the Middle East and with Turkey out of NATO, (Which would have to happen) Russia’s southern border is no longer threatened. Turkey and the Kurds will have to come to terms with Syria, Iraq, Iran and the US will no longer be able to steal 80% of Syrian oil and 60% of Iraqi oil.
    Turkey’s Southstream becomes Europe’s only realistic supply of oil, Suez Canal no longer guarantees passage of oil to S Europe.
    Game, Set and Match to BRICS, NATO sent down to the minors.
    More importantly, the world of “Capital and Finance” is replaced, as it should be, with the world of “Resources and Production”.
    “- God
    – Family
    – Nation”
    becomes the dominant narrative once more whether that god be Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Pagan, Wiccan or confucian.

    “Give me the money that has been spent in war, and I will purchase every foot of land upon the globe. I will clothe every man, woman, and child in an attire that kings and queens would be proud of; I will build a school-house upon every valley over the whole habitable earth; I will supply that school house with a competent teacher; I will build an academy in every town, and endow it; a college in every state, and fill it with able Professors; I will crown every hill with a church consecrated to the promulgation of the gospel of peace; I will support in its pulpit an able teacher of righteousness, so that on every Sabbath morning the chime on one hill should answer to the chime on another, around the earth’s broad circumference; and the voice of prayer and the song of praise should ascend like a universal holocaust to heaven. “~Charles Sumner, c.1840

    1. You know that ‘god, family, nation’ is fascist? I’m guessing that you are a fascist. Fascism is reading it’s ugly head once again as the result of the failure of capitalism to support the working class, again as always. Fascism is the Id of politics and demands scapegoats and blood sacrifice. Fascism never helps the working class and a lot of people will be harmed, disappeared, tortured, the dissidents, intellectuals, queers, activists, by demagogues and thugs with the words God, family, nation, blood and soil on their lips.

      1. I am guessing you are an idiot.
        Nothing about ‘god, family, nation’ is Fascist, nothing.You clearly do not know the meaning of words (eg Fascist) you clearly live your life by slogans, you clearly have no ability to think but merely follow other’s narratives.
        Don’t worry, the world is full of people just like you.
        Just for your information.
        Without a “God” or some outside source of reference there can be no agreed set of morals or ethics. Alastair Crowley becomes the arbiter “Do what thou wilt.”
        Without “Family” there is no responsibility, no support system and no continuity. you are here, you die, so what?
        Without “Nation” there is no society, no cohesion, no community. You do not ‘belong’ anywhere or to anything. A lost turd floating around in a huge toilet bowl soon to be flushed and forgotten.
        ‘god, family, nation’ built every civilisation, every forward step from the cave to empires. Every Empire failed and was destroyed when the three were ignored, vilified or forgotten.
        Everything, including ‘god, family, nation’ can be misused and abused, just as violence can be for good or bad, but only really stupid people confuse the two.

  18. As far as the explosions in the pipelines who could be under any illusion as to whom is responsible, it is so laughably obviously obvious,now, shall we guess, yes you got it.

    1. Yep, I think you got it…Who’s on first, what’s on second, I don’t know is on third!

  19. Stupidity is the most potent weapon of all for humanity to suffer through at the hands of their government..
    It’s the weapon of choice.
    Who can argue with Stupid?

    1. I agree. It is difficult, but we can’t let it dissuade us from trying. People don’t like to be told to do something (they throw up defensive walls and may feel as if you question their good judgement). It is more effective to ask carefully designed questions (in good faith). The ruling class indoctrinates citizens through inculcation. We are definitely one of the most propagandized societies on the planet. Sometimes it seems the US has devolved into nothing more than a colony or regime, with a cabal of gangsters at the helm. We are a society that is designed to incentivize criminal behavior at the highest level.

    2. Albert Einstein :
      “There ore only two things that are infinite, the Universe and Human Stupidity.
      I am not sure about the Universe.”

  20. Can you guess who this is? This individual probably feels overly justified in receiving sympathy; even demands it! Don’t descend into denial; but be honest, what country does this poem remind you of?
    Please allow me to introduce myself, I’m a man of wealth and taste. I’ve been around for a long, long year. Stole many a man’s soul and faith. I was round when Jesus Christ had his moment of doubt and pain. Made sure that Pilate washed his hands and sealed his fate. Pleased to meet you. Hope you guess my name.

  21. “Blaming Russia for attacks on Russian pipelines is probably going to take the cake.” The US, out of desperation, is reckless, irrational, and dangerous. Their actions place the world in jeopardy. The US’ projection of Russia damaging their pipeline investment is malarky and pretense; it is right out of the US’ subterfuge playbook. The US’ World Disorder is coming to an end, one way or another (good). It’s a bad look for the United States; but through their misdeeds, they are responsible for the ensuing calamity! It looks as if this misfortune will comprise a portion of their historical legacy. Waa, Waa, Waa, the big fucking pouting baby!

  22. So, I was tipped off today, that a hit is planned on me tonight, but for all the reasons that Caitlin just enumerated, I just don’t give a damn; if evil people are just that stupid, if good people are just that ignorant, well, ‘f’, them. If people think that, Christ, Mohammed, Buddha, etcetera, were all talking out their asses; LOL, I place my faith in God that I will not leave this world until God wants me to, by whatever means he/she/other chooses.

  23. Trying to stop ‘misinformation’ is misguided. For misinfo to have power people with brains have to be influenced by it. But people with brains have critical thinking. Those without brains already are misguided.

    The problem is any attempt to stop ‘misinformation’ will be perverted to suppress dissident voices. The possibility of this happening is 100%.

    The effect of misinformation is exaggerated and suppression of it will backfire 100% of the time. Making the decision to suppress misinfo or not a no-brainer.

  24. Someone’s nationality is immaterial to both matters of fact and opinion. And yeah, NATO is a giant murderous war making machine. It should have been dissolved when the Warsaw Pact ended.
    Maybe this pipeline business will be a game changer. I expect the common presumption is the US did it, and I could see that really pissing the Germans off. Blowing somebody’s stuff up, particularly stuff that keeps them from freezing, is a real WTF. Not much need for enemies if friends are going to bomb you. It’s like I always say about the US government- their real Achilles heel is that they’re power crazed idiots.

  25. Russia destroyed the pipe lines. I know, because Sky news told me so. I don’t need proof. I don’t need facts. All I need is to hear it from a trusted news source and I know that it must be true. Sadly, I have lost all trust from the escalation of lies and deception coming from our politians and MSM. Some may wonder where the Ukraine war may lead. I’m wondering where all the lies and deceptions will lead when people wake up.

    1. Can you imagine if the US is successful in its Ukrainian Proxy War, what the US subsequent behavior will devolve to? What do you think? You’ve already witnessed, either indirectly, or possibly through the passing of a loved one, what the Warp Speed VAERS non-vaccine jab accomplishes. What about the economic crash that amazingly coincided with the alleged pandemic (do you remember the ruling class/corporations/banks siphoning enormous amounts of cash into their pockets)? Compare the 2020 pandemic/economic crisis with the 2008 Global Financial Crisis. Do you remember George W. Bush saying, “either bail out the economy or suffer hardships and possible recession (paraphrased)?” Do you recall this? Can you imagine where the US is going, in terms of a society? Could it be speculated that the US is rushing towards totalitarianism? Disagree? What’s your theory?

      1. What would be happen if the US managed to collapse Russia and China.

        A huge IF, but if they succeeded they would certainly quickly “normalize” using “tactical nukes” on small countries that show any defiance.

        Of course they’d nuke Iran, North Korea and Venezuela, quite possibly also Cuba first, but it wouldn’t end with them.

        1. A plausible and likely scenario. All one has to recall is US’ behavior at advent of USSR collapse. That is, the US declared themselves “the worlds lone superpower.” This was the crux, it seems, of US’ delusional self-supremacy. At this point, they unleashed themselves to embark on the crusade for a “new world order,” as I recall G.H.W. Bush promulgating. Their current behavior strongly suggests your theory. It’s a sobering realization. It appears as if a struggle over the US objective is somewhat inevitable (Great Power Conflict/Competition).

    2. The US has always been the same criminal fraternity it still is and always will be, until it no longer exists

      1. I think you made a valid point.

  26. The US has been wanting to sell liquefied natural gas to Germany, and wanting to keep Russia from getting any revenue from the sale of its natural gas.

    Sure, Russia could have shut its own gas valves to freeze out the Germans over the coming winter to make Europe pay for its aggression to Russia, but Russia wants the trade of natural gas with Europe, and to paid for it in rubles.

    Biden could have overtly shut the gas line into Germany on the German end of the pipe in order to force the purchase of US gas.

    But then Germany would blame the US for freezing them and then be angry at the US for its greed and indifference to German pain.

    The freezing Germans would be angry at Biden for that overt action.

    No one in the media questions the shelling of a nuclear power plant occupied by Russians being shelled by Russians.

    And no one in the media will question the sabotage of Russian pipelines by Russia either.

    The media is either as stupid as the people, or certain about how stupid the people are, or how stupid they will patriotically pretend to be.

    The US sabotaged the gas pipelines, confident that no one would believe they could act in such bad faith with their “friends”.

    1. Yes, the US is desperate. Desperate people sometimes commit dastardly deeds. At least the US has uncloaked itself for the world to see. The US is trying with all its might to maintain its dominance and pseudo-values. It’s worried about losing its so-called rules-based, world order. It seems the US is in a state of consternation; and of course, this is a result of decades of perpetrated abuse (by the US). the United States, one way or the other, will have to cope with the dynamics of a changing world (multipolarity). They will bare much responsibility for the ensuing calamity. Maybe they will become a motivational speaker and live in a van down by the river. Who knows? Only the shadow knows…

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